DUST Search - Warning to all mass driver users

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

xLT Green wrote:

So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf.
I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.

This is stupid. The OP (and countless others before and after him) has made a specious argument (look it up). CCP, for all their foolishness, are not complete idiots. It may appear that they nerf any weapon that is popular, but that's not the case. Association is not causality.

We are the sheep, not CCP. When we start getting killed a lot by things, we follow the herd and the weapon gets popular. It's popular, because it's OP. It gets nerfed, because it's OP. That doesn't mean that popular weapons get nerfed, it means that OP weapons get popular. The LR got the living crap nerfed out of it and it wasn't THAT popular, not like the TAR, contact nades, and flaylocks were. I don't recall routinely seeing entire squads, or even multiple squads, running them. I do recall faces melting from halfway across the battlefield though.

Any effect popularity might have is to bring quicker attention to the OP-ness of the weapon. People have been QQing about the FG almost as long as the flaylock, yet it didn't get nerfed with 1.3. Why? Because it does what it's supposed to. The AR? No weapons is more popular, and man do I want to gouge my own eyes out every time that buster guy shows up to ***** about that; and yet no nerf.

The flaylock is a sidearm, not meant to be a primary weapon. The dev blog said straight out they intended it to be a high-skill precision weapon, but instead it was lol 'splosion city, so they changed it to work the way they intended it to. Same thing with the TAR, it was supposed to be a precision med-long range weapon but every a-hole with a wal-mart $15 modded turbo controller turned those things into duvolles to the third power. Seriously, this just should not be that hard a concept to understand.

Note: I really hope a dev reads this and comments, because confirming that this is their approach would save a whole crapton of threads that will inevitably follow.

TL;DR: OP weapons are popular, that's why popular weapons get nerfed. Because they're OP, not because they're popular.

So you're saying the Mass Driver is OP. Ha okay, do you realize the Mass Driver was nerfed the most out of every gun? They made it so bad it barely wasn't usable. And yes ccp do nerf mostly based on popularity. The only reason the ar doesn't get nerf is because it's the "golden standard" of dust. It makes the money for dust. The assault rifle has the most bpos. It's the easiest gun to use. That's why it isn't nerfed and won't be nerfed. Your argument is almost a decent one but yet you still ignore the facts. I bet you that if everyone starts using the laser rifle again it will get cried about and ccp will notice a spike in its performance (kills) thus it will get nerfed. Look at how the flay lock got nerfed, I'm not by no means saying it wasn't OP. But the fact that they based the nerf on mainly how many kills only shows that when a weapon other than the assault rifle gets popular it will get nerfed. It's almost a given deal. So please don't try to impress us with your fancy words and a huge paragraph that is basically saying the same thing over and over. Heck I bet that even the new fotm became the smg, shot gun (after they fix the hit detection) it will get nerfed. Not because it's OP but because people are becoming deadly with it. So please don't write a other book about the same thing. You know I'm right, CCP has to fix other things. Add new content to the game. Etc. Some weapons need buff. The aiming system needs to be fixed which once it's fixed we are going to see even more nerf threads. So again keep this in mind. Thank you


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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 53	Posted - 2013.08.07 02:23:00 - [1] - Quote xLT Green wrote: So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. This is stupid. The OP (and countless others before and after him) has made a specious argument (look it up). CCP, for all their foolishness, are not complete idiots. It may appear that they nerf any weapon that is popular, but that's not the case. Association is not causality. We are the sheep, not CCP. When we start getting killed a lot by things, we follow the herd and the weapon gets popular. It's popular, because it's OP. It gets nerfed, because it's OP. That doesn't mean that popular weapons get nerfed, it means that OP weapons get popular. The LR got the living crap nerfed out of it and it wasn't THAT popular, not like the TAR, contact nades, and flaylocks were. I don't recall routinely seeing entire squads, or even multiple squads, running them. I do recall faces melting from halfway across the battlefield though. Any effect popularity might have is to bring quicker attention to the OP-ness of the weapon. People have been QQing about the FG almost as long as the flaylock, yet it didn't get nerfed with 1.3. Why? Because it does what it's supposed to. The AR? No weapons is more popular, and man do I want to gouge my own eyes out every time that buster guy shows up to ***** about that; and yet no nerf. The flaylock is a sidearm, not meant to be a primary weapon. The dev blog said straight out they intended it to be a high-skill precision weapon, but instead it was lol 'splosion city, so they changed it to work the way they intended it to. Same thing with the TAR, it was supposed to be a precision med-long range weapon but every a-hole with a wal-mart $15 modded turbo controller turned those things into duvolles to the third power. Seriously, this just should not be that hard a concept to understand. Note: I really hope a dev reads this and comments, because confirming that this is their approach would save a whole crapton of threads that will inevitably follow. TL;DR: OP weapons are popular, that's why popular weapons get nerfed. Because they're OP, not because they're popular.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 53	Posted - 2013.08.07 05:46:00 - [2] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: xLT Green wrote: So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. This is stupid. The OP (and countless others before and after him) has made a specious argument (look it up). CCP, for all their foolishness, are not complete idiots. It may appear that they nerf any weapon that is popular, but that's not the case. Association is not causality. We are the sheep, not CCP. When we start getting killed a lot by things, we follow the herd and the weapon gets popular. It's popular, because it's OP. It gets nerfed, because it's OP. That doesn't mean that popular weapons get nerfed, it means that OP weapons get popular. The LR got the living crap nerfed out of it and it wasn't THAT popular, not like the TAR, contact nades, and flaylocks were. I don't recall routinely seeing entire squads, or even multiple squads, running them. I do recall faces melting from halfway across the battlefield though. Any effect popularity might have is to bring quicker attention to the OP-ness of the weapon. People have been QQing about the FG almost as long as the flaylock, yet it didn't get nerfed with 1.3. Why? Because it does what it's supposed to. The AR? No weapons is more popular, and man do I want to gouge my own eyes out every time that buster guy shows up to ***** about that; and yet no nerf. The flaylock is a sidearm, not meant to be a primary weapon. The dev blog said straight out they intended it to be a high-skill precision weapon, but instead it was lol 'splosion city, so they changed it to work the way they intended it to. Same thing with the TAR, it was supposed to be a precision med-long range weapon but every a-hole with a wal-mart $15 modded turbo controller turned those things into duvolles to the third power. Seriously, this just should not be that hard a concept to understand. Note: I really hope a dev reads this and comments, because confirming that this is their approach would save a whole crapton of threads that will inevitably follow. TL;DR: OP weapons are popular, that's why popular weapons get nerfed. Because they're OP, not because they're popular. So you're saying the Mass Driver is OP. Ha okay, do you realize the Mass Driver was nerfed the most out of every gun? They made it so bad it barely wasn't usable. And yes ccp do nerf mostly based on popularity. The only reason the ar doesn't get nerf is because it's the "golden standard" of dust. It makes the money for dust. The assault rifle has the most bpos. It's the easiest gun to use. That's why it isn't nerfed and won't be nerfed. Your argument is almost a decent one but yet you still ignore the facts. I bet you that if everyone starts using the laser rifle again it will get cried about and ccp will notice a spike in its performance (kills) thus it will get nerfed. Look at how the flay lock got nerfed, I'm not by no means saying it wasn't OP. But the fact that they based the nerf on mainly how many kills only shows that when a weapon other than the assault rifle gets popular it will get nerfed. It's almost a given deal. So please don't try to impress us with your fancy words and a huge paragraph that is basically saying the same thing over and over. Heck I bet that even the new fotm became the smg, shot gun (after they fix the hit detection) it will get nerfed. Not because it's OP but because people are becoming deadly with it. So please don't write a other book about the same thing. You know I'm right, CCP has to fix other things. Add new content to the game. Etc. Some weapons need buff. The aiming system needs to be fixed which once it's fixed we are going to see even more nerf threads. So again keep this in mind. Thank you sigh Read it again,: I never said the mass driver was OP. I use it a lot, and appreciate it's efficacy in the right situations. What I AM saying is that the whole premise of this thread is false: Not all popular weapons get nerfed, just the ones that are popular because they are OP. I think the MD is just fine how it is, aka, functioning as intended. It's popularity alone should not induce any nerfing, so there is no point in not using it, which is basically what the OP is implying we should do.